Friday, 23 July 2010

Europe's demand for cheap meat is been fed by an increasing demand for soya feed from the Amazon but it comes at a cost - deforestation Rainfore


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Europe's demand for cheap meat is been fed by an increasing demand for soya feed from the Amazon but it comes at a cost - deforestation

Rainforest around Santarém has been replaced with fields over the last five years thanks to the advent of soya farming in the area.

Huge multinational Cargill built a port on the Amazon at Santarém to export soya to Europe where the grains are converted into feed for chickens and other farm animals.

Cargill presents an insatiable demand so farmers from soya growing areas like Matto Grosso moved to Santarém to be nearer the port taking advantage of reduced transport costs. This influx of outsiders had lead to conflict with local people.

Farmer Luis Pereira Machado, 61, sells all his crop to Cargill, usually before it is harvested. He said: 'The more you have the more they want.' He moved to the area from Matto Grosso but does not feel welcome near Santarém.

Deforestation

Aside from cultural conflicts, there are many environmental problems associated with soya farming. Environmentalists are furious because of the deforestation caused by soya farming. They claim pesticides and fertilisers from soya farms damage the ecosystems of creeks and rivers.

They also argue that the wakes from big ships damage the riverbanks.


Others complain about the lack of employment for local people. Soya farming is largely mechanised and Cargill’s port only employs 60 people because nothing is processed in Santarém, soya is just stored and then exported.

There are also concerns, well documented by Greenpeace in a report called Eating Up The Amazon, that soya farmers acquired land in illegal or irregular ways and in some cases use slave labour for clearing the forest. According to Greenpeace, it is these illegal activities that subsidise the price of meat in Europe.

Future expansion

The problems of soya farming in the Amazon look set to increase. Most of the soya that Cargill exports through Santarém is brought in trucks along the Br163 from Matto Grosso. This road is in the process of being paved which environmentalists say will lead to more deforestation along its length and more soya farmers moving to the area.

Amazonian ecologist Gil Serique said: 'It seems to be very easy to make money selling soya beans to Cargill. I am sure there is going to be an explosion of soya around Santarém.'

Wednesday, 21 July 2010

Atlantic Rising now in Colombia



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Pix:Lynn, Will's right foot and my Hoatzin logo

Monday, 19 July 2010

From http://www.richardbahia.blogspot.com/

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When I’m forlorn, melancholy or generally baffled at what life throws at us, the best remedy for me is to go to the beach. Amidst the swirls of humanity there to enjoy the surf and sun, you can immerse yourself into a world where all senses are piqued. This causes a degree of recuperation to the soul, slightly diminished on the ride home where egregious driving by drunk beach revelers reminds us of how reckless people cause such disharmony in society.

But let’s stay on the positive. Fortunately for me, a beautiful beach is ten minutes from my house. Last Saturday, we parked in a lot that advertized a five real fee. A team of people instruct you on how to park your car efficiently to cram as many cars as they can into this space. This is classic informal economy stuff, nobody is paying any taxes there. But if you chose to not pay the fee, there is nothing the people running the lot can do about it.



Me and Richard Bahia Hartley
We have a spot where the wait staff know us. Our main waiter, a large square man with an operatic voice and charm which he uses to make sure you tip him well, was not there.

“His knee was bad, plus the owner here refuses to pay us our tips. I am going to be moving on after the season is over; it’s impossible to live on what he pays us.”

This is partly what makes Brazil such an unequal society, this tendency to exploit to the maximum, the incapacity for long term thought in things that involve profit. The idea that having happy workers matters is irrelevant when there is a teaming pool of desperate poor ready to work under miserable conditions to replace any discontents. Squeeze as much money as you can and keep another people in thrall while doing it, capitalism in its basest form.

I must admit I spent rather less time than I should have considering these terrible issues of human exploitation, instead revering the magnificence in front of me. The aquiline water, intersected by cauldrons of white created by the waves, invited compellingly.

Our waitress finished digging a hole in which to place a large sun umbrella to protect us from the scorching sun. Pedro gave us about ten seconds to sit down and relax before wanting to jump into the ocean. There we went. Pedro, now six, has lost fear of the ocean and knows how to avoid the punches it throws at you and take advantage of its blessings in the form of waves and relief from the heat. He simply loves it now and will spend all day there if you let him.

Pedro aged 10 now








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Near Death Experience

My only near death experience was on a boat, a tiny little jolly boat. It happened when a friend from New York and I went to visit Canela Island on the coast of Belem, near the mouth of the Amazon River.

I had thrilled at Canela Island before with the arrival of some 10.000 Scarlet Ibises that nest and shelter there and I was excited to contemplate it again.

The original plan was to do the 50 miles of open sea in two and a half hours, observe the spectacular avifauna, photograph and only return to Belem on the next day.

Limited options made us choose B/M Garoto(boy) a miniscule fishing boat with a crew formed by three young married men.
We got on board and left; we had loaded her with some packs of biscuits, water and wherever you can find in a small village that you can still feel alone as a tourist.

I can't remember any incident that may have taken place between the moment we set sail and the arrival at Canela.
The bird show had been spectacular with big flocks of Scarlet Ibis flying over head dropping the curtain.

Before setting camp we did not disagree much about the value of a cold beer in a nice bar and other pirate things and Bill decided to ask:
-Do you think we can return to Belem in time?
-I was born one thousand kilometers from the Atlantic where tides have no meaning, let me check with the crew.

I said to Bill leaving the decision in the other six hands that answered positive without showing any sign of hesitation.

Soon after we started heading back to the coast B/M Garoto's propeller had been lost; a huge storm was forming and we learnt that her anchor literally floated on the scary waves.

This time was God's time to decide and He had not much time to ponder.
Holding tight and working on my balance I spit my last joke.


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-Bill, changing plans again! We are not going to a bar, we gonna fucking die!
He agreed without smiling and I noticed one member of our crew crying in despair while assisting his other friend severely vomiting of seasickness.

Without much to do on the helm, the captain was at working on the water pump like he was punching his worst enemy's face on the ground.

The bonanza took a light year to come and it came with a fantastic Atlantic phytoplankton show bringing into my mind a cloud of fireflies in the floodplain.

Extremely exhausted and without much to do in deep dark waters we played plan A and felt asleep.

From On the River
Dedicated to Kapul

Saturday, 17 July 2010

Sebastiao Tapajos

Sebastiao Tapajos and the two rivers on the background.


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Tuesday, 13 July 2010

One or another



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Monday, 12 July 2010

Spain x Holland in Rainforest







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Saturday, 10 July 2010

Birding day at Maica










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Friday, 9 July 2010

Elizabeth Bishop "Santarem"


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Even if one were tempted to literary interpretations such as life/death, right/wrong, male/female
- Such notions would have resolved, dissolved straight off in that watery, dazzling dialect.

Elizabeth Bishop "Santarem"

Thursday, 8 July 2010

With the city lights fading out behind...


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...Mars is spotted. Your (smiles turn into laughs) thoughts turn into plans; in your hammocks your meditations are interrupted by a nap, dreams begin to shape, nightmares too.

Wednesday, 7 July 2010

Brazil New Forest Code

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The New Forest Code forgives whom deforested hill slopes and springs until July 2008. Those responsible are free to pay a fine for the damage.

In other words "Do you remember those eco-crimes you committed? Well, forget about it.!!!"


Under the proposal approved, the area of preservation of rivers with up to five meters in width gets smaller. The minimum distance between planting and the river drops from 30 to 15 meters.

In Other words: "Do you remember those eco-crimes you committed? They were not actually crimes, go ahead and do more.

Another point that has generated protests from environmentalists was the decision to release some properties to maintain a preserved area, which today is required by law. With the new code, in some states, all land up to 400 hectares will be used for farming.
In other words: In other words, you can chop off that little slice of forest in your property as well.

Conclusion: Wildlife and biodiversity under even more threat.

Tuesday, 6 July 2010

Derek's quick fix




Image and video hosting by TinyPicFinally Derek's book has been finished and published, which means it is ready to be read. It should be about his many adventures throughout he world and the lessons he learn in the process. It contains the wisdom Derek acquired during his many adventures and meditations throughout the world under "suicidal" circumstances, unless you think the Jungle Marathon is like playing hide and seek.

My signed copy in on the way. Kwik quick.

"Don't wait. The time will never be just right"





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Saturday, 3 July 2010

Taken from www.atlanticrising.org

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Buffalo trample the Amazon
How water buffalo are damaging the Amazon's floodplain

Written by Lynn

Water buffalo may not be the most pressing threat to the Amazon as a whole but on the river’s floodplain they are doing serious damage. The floodplain makes up less than five percent of the area of the Amazon and does not grab headlines like the forest. But it is a unique ecosystem home to incredible biodiversity, which is being threatened.



For six months or so of every year the floodplain is covered by water (sometimes up to nine metres) and land mammals like three toed sloths retire to the tree tops while dolphins and seed eating fish swim between the trunks. Small channels become lakes and wooded areas become forest islands.



Buffalo were introduced to the Amazon around 200 years ago. There are varying explanations of how they came, some say a boat headed for Guyana was shipwrecked and the buffalo swam to the island of Marajó and others say they were brought by Catholic missionaries. But, however they arrived, they are now causing significant damage. Local farmers who live in wooden houses on stilts growing vegetables on the fertile plain spend the wet season keeping water buffalo out of their gardens. The number of buffalo in the area is increasing year on year and grew by 13 percent a year between 1975 and 2000 compared to a four percent yearly increase in cattle over the same period.

Amazonian ecologist Gil Serique said: “They eat everything that is green including the giant water lilies and because they are very heavy they compress the soil which changes the drainage pattern.”

The water buffalo, which are used for milk and meat, also create problems for fish because they eat floating islands of weeds in which fish feed and breed. Serique said the buffalo cause problems by trampling vegetation, which then takes longer to recover. The rearing of buffalo is also connected to deforestation because when the water gets too deep the owners move their herds to areas beyond the floodplain, which have to be cleared for the purpose.



Buffalo are more productive than cattle, able to graze more effectively and for longer during the flooded period and are less susceptible to water borne diseases, which make them an attractive choice for ranchers. This means the environmental problems caused by buffalo herds and conflicts between arable farmers and buffalo are likely to continue.

From www.atlanticrising.org


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Eating the Amazon
How Europe's demand for cheap meat is damaging the rainforest


Written by Lynn

Europe’s demand for cheap meat is dramatically changing the landscape of the Amazon. Rainforest around Santarém has been replaced with fields over the last five years thanks to the advent of soya farming in the area.

Huge multinational Cargill built a port on the Amazon at Santarém to export soya to Europe where the grains are converted into feed for chickens and other farm animals.

Cargill presents an insatiable demand so farmers from soya growing areas like Matto Grosso moved to Santarém to be nearer the port taking advantage of reduced transport costs. This influx of outsiders had lead to conflict with local people.

Farmer Luis Pereira Machado, 61, sells all his crop to Cargill, usually before it is harvested. He said: “The more you have the more they want.” He moved to the area from Matto Grosso but does not feel welcome near Santarém.

Aside from cultural conflicts, there are many environmental problems associated with soya farming. Environmentalists are furious because of the deforestation caused by soya farming. They claim pesticides and fertilizers from soya farms damage the ecosystems of creeks and rivers. They also argue that the wakes from big ships damage the riverbanks.

Others complain about the lack of employment for local people. Soya farming is largely mechanized and Cargill’s port only employs 60 people because nothing is processed in Santarém, soya is just stored and then exported.

There are also concerns, well documented by Greenpeace in a report called Eating Up The Amazon, that soya farmers acquired land in illegal or irregular ways and in some cases use slave labour for clearing the forest. According to Greenpeace, it is these illegal activities that subsidise the price of meat in Europe.

The problems of soya farming in the Amazon look set to increase. Most of the soya that Cargill exports through Santarém is brought in trucks along the Br163 from Matto Grosso. This road is in the process of being paved which environmentalists say will lead to more deforestation along its length and more soya farmers moving to the area.

Amazonian ecologist Gil Serique said: “It seems to be very easy to make money selling soya beans to Cargill. I am sure there is going to be an explosion of soya around Santarém.”

Read about out how water buffalo are damaging the Amazon floodplain here. Or read about one attempt to use the forest without losing it in Guyana here.

Tuesday, 29 June 2010

From Ricardo Moraes file


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Ricardo Moraes Reuters

"BRAZIL-VIOLENCE"

Residents look at a body found inside a supermarket cart in the Morro dos Macacos slum in Rio de Janeiro October 20, 2009. The man is suspected to have been killed by rival drug gangs, residents say. Brazil's president offered on Monday nearly $60 million in federal money to help Rio de Janeiro police combat drug gangs after 17 people were killed in weekend violence that raised questions over the city's ability to safely host the 2016 Olympics.

Whitney's interview with Laurin Hill 4 "Wosh".Post

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I interviewed a lot of people for my story about Lauryn Hill's voice. I had to, because I didn't know if I'd be able to speak to her myself. The singer and rapper last released a recording eight years ago. She rarely performs in the U.S., and she almost never gives interviews. But her fans haven't forgotten her — they're still pleading for her to come back. Hill is a fantastic singer, as well as one of the greatest MCs of all time, and the story of her voice is the story of a generation.

It doesn't take much for a group of 30-somethings to get nostalgic about Hill. Put her solo album, The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill, on at a bar, and it takes the crowd right back to college days or high-school summers. I met Daryl Lutz while he was hanging out with a group of friends on the deck of Marvin's Bar in downtown Washington, D.C.

"We went to school in Hampton, Va., and she came to do a show," he said. "It was one of the best times in my life — I mean, she spoke to me! We snuck backstage and I got her to sign my meal card. She said, 'This is your meal card, brother, you know?' I said, 'That's all I got.' She signed it, 'Eat well — L. Boogie.' That's something I'll never forget. I love her. I love her to death."

I heard tons of stories like Lutz's that night — mostly closed with this plea: "Come back, Lauryn. We need you. Come back!" People spoke directly into the microphone, as if it were a telephone line.

From New Ark To Israel

Hill became a star with the hip-hop trio The Fugees. Their second album, The Score, came out in 1996, and it was an instant classic. The group — Hill, Wyclef Jean and Prakazrel Michel — sounded like they were in perfect sync. On the first single, "Fu-gee-la," Hill sang the hook, rhymed a verse, then sang again. She was the total package, more so than any other rapper, male or female, has been.

She's one of slickest rappers ever: Her rhymes are dexterous, spiritual, hilarious, surprising. Without a doubt, she was the best-looking rapper the world had ever seen. And Hill was a soul singer with a real old-school, almost militant, politic. The second single was Hill's cover of Roberta Flack's "Killing Me Softly." That recording has never really gone away, and its success built the expectations for Hill's solo record to a fever pitch. Particularly to women and young girls who listened to her then, she was a revelation. There was steel in her voice when she rapped; she sang like she really cared about our hopeless crushes and our impotent rages, like she really loved us. We thought maybe we could grow up to be like her.

The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill came out in 1998. It was like LeBron James' rookie year in the NBA. You knew he had the potential to be great after seeing him in high school — and then, right out of the gate, he's one of the best ball players in the league.

Jayson Jackson, part of Hill's management team, described the recording process this way: "The record was already inside her. She would go into the studio, and it would just pour out of her."

Lenesha Randolph sang backing vocals on Miseducation, and she describes herself today as the backing vocals "to all your favorite artists." She's on tour with Lady Gaga right now, but a formative influence on her singing was her work in the studio singing backup for Hill.

"I don't know if people are gonna like this album, because I'm just singing, and nobody wants to hear rappers sing," Hill told Randolph at the time. Randolph says she couldn't believe it. "I was like, 'What are you talking about?' " Randolph says. "I would just stare at her, like, look in her mouth! Because when you hear her sing, and then hear her speak — it had such power and volume and rasp. It was something to strive for."

The feeling that you get [when you hear me sing], I get first.

- Lauryn Hill

Everything Is Everything

In 1998, everyone was listening to her sing: mothers, daughters, college students and little kids. As the rapper Nas described his audience, "listeners, bluntheads, fine ladies and prisoners." Miseducation crossed demographics and genres. It made people dance and cry and blast it from their speakers as they drove around with their best friends.

Jay Smooth, a longtime radio DJ, remembers there was a little sadness in the hip-hop community that there was less rhyming on the album than during Hill's time with The Fugees. "We may have missed out on the best rap album of all time," he says. Nevertheless, the album was a note that longtime fans of hip-hop had been craving for someone to hit. Smooth says that for people his age — the same age as Hill, the same age as people like Tupac Shakur and Biggie Smalls — "we saw our generation create something so powerful and innovative. They were speaking with a love and righteousness that we, perhaps naively, believed could change the world at that time."

Smooth compares the idealism of the hip-hop generation to the hippies before it. But just as the optimism of the '60s gave way to what he describes as "the malaise of the '70s," Smooth says that hip-hop had lost its way. The music grew more commercialized, and consequently more violent and self-involved, culminating in the deaths of Tupac in 1996, and then Biggie Smalls in 1997.

"It was right after that, in 1998, that Lauryn Hill's album came out," Smooth says. "And it seemed that she was that voice inside our soul — coming out and asking all of us, 'How could we have gone so wrong?' and 'Can we have some grown folks talking about loving ourselves, before it's too late? If it's not already too late?' "

'Look At Your Career,' They Said. 'Lauryn, Baby, Use Your Head'

Hill raked in the Grammys, including Album of the Year. But that same year, some of her collaborators filed suit, saying they weren't properly credited on the album. They settled out of court, and the stir over the suit prompted what seemed like a fall from grace for Lauryn Hill.

Shortly after the Grammys, in the winter of 1999, Hill disappeared from public life. For years afterward, her fans traded rumors — the prevailing theory was that she'd had some kind of breakdown. Smooth says he thinks the pressure put on her to save the hip-hop generation from itself might have broken her. She was also a busy mother: Over the past 10 years, she's had five children. Her MTV Unplugged album, which came out in 2002, seemed to reveal a person worn thin.

After Unplugged, those of us who grew up listening to her missed her voice in the same way we missed our hopeful youth. That powerful sound that represented great potential being fulfilled was silent.

"No one ever stops missing her," Smooth says. "Every time you say her name — like, 'Lauryn Hill walked into Home Depot' — you'll be hoping she starts tapping on a table and making a beat and singing."

This could be the year.

After Winter Must Come Spring

Lauryn Hill took the stage at the Harmony Festival in Santa Rosa, Calif., just a few weeks ago. She's barely performed at all in the U.S. in the past 10 years. The band was restless and loud behind her, almost drowning her out at times. She looked completely regal, even in a carnival balloon-style jumpsuit, with her hair blown out and dyed maroon to match. She pranced around the stage in huge heels, shouting directions to the band, as though they were in rehearsal. When she rapped, her words flew by so fast, it seemed she was barely breathing. But when the sound guy brought her mic up and the band would breathe for a moment, her voice soared over the crowd. It was the same voice I'd grown up with, just as raw and present and full of soul as I remembered.

The reputation that surrounds Hill is wild — it's hard to know what to believe, because she does so few interviews. She's got handlers on top of handlers, publicists and managers who, you think, will lead you to her, and then they turn out to be red herrings. My editor and I chased them all down during the weekend of the Harmony Festival. I was told by various people to not touch her, don't look her in the eye; that instead of talking directly to you, she writes on a Post-It note and sticks it to your chest. I've also been told repeatedly not to call her "Lauryn" anything — she goes by Ms. Hill. This is the only rumor that turns out to be true, in my case. Because after her performance in Santa Rosa, when we ask Ms. Hill if we can ride with her back to the hotel and ask her some questions, she tells us to get in the car.

I ask her the question her fans have been asking each other for years: Why did you stop putting out music?

"There were a number of different reasons," she says. "But partly, the support system that I needed was not necessarily in place. There were things about myself, personal-growth things, that I had to go through in order to feel like it was worth it. In fact, as musicians and artists, it's important we have an environment — and I guess when I say environment, I really mean the [music] industry, that really nurtures these gifts. Oftentimes, the machine can overlook the need to take care of the people who produce the sounds that have a lot to do with the health and well-being of society, or at least some aspect of society. And it's important that people be given the time that they need to go through, to grow, so that the consciousness level of the general public is properly affected. Oftentimes, I think people are forced to make decisions prematurely. And then that sound radiates."

This would sound self-important coming from many other artists, especially popular artists. But to someone who grew up with Hill, it makes sense. She did have a hand in shaping how we were feeling, or it seemed that she did. And the disappointment of her disappearance is just one in a catalog of disappointments that we experienced as we grew up.

Her voice sounds just the same: low and raspy, full of intensity and soul. It's no wonder. She tells me she grew up singing along with mostly male soul singers — "the Donny Hathaways, the Stevie Wonders, the Jackie Wilsons." As for her rhyming skills, she says she used to have a rapping voice and a singing voice. But now the voices have to become one, in order for her to get the kind of music mix that she wants in a live performance. It's a work in progress. It's so funny to hear that Hill is still working on her extraordinary voice — holding it out in front of her, waving it like a sheet to see what more she can shake out of it.

"I'm trying to open up my range and really sing more," she says. "With The Fugees initially, and even with Miseducation, it was very hip-hop — always a singing over beats. I don't think people have really heard me sing out. So if I do record again, perhaps it will have an expanded context. Where people can hear a bit more."

How You Gonna Win When You Ain't Right Within?

I ask her what it feels like to sing, and she flips the question on me — "Well, what's it like to hear me?" I tell her listening to her sing makes me feel both happy and sad. It feels like her voice comes from a higher place. I'm paraphrasing all the people I've interviewed about her.

"The feeling that you get," she says, "I get first. I think you have a delayed experience with the feeling that I usually get. When I have a creative insight, there is a high. I think back in the day, I made music as much as I did because it made me feel so good. I think you could argue that there is a creative addiction — but, you know, the healthy kind."

I ask her about having a voice that moves so many people, if there isn't a certain amount of responsibility that comes along with that.

"I think about it, and yet I don't think about it," she says. We pull into the hotel parking lot and she's about to continue, but we're interrupted by one of the festival employees, who comes up to the car to ask if someone-or-other's keys are in the Suburban we're riding in.

"No," Hill says with a laugh. "No one in here has those keys." After all, it's just Hill, me, the driver and my editor in the car. As the man walks away, Hill says, "He looks just like Matthew McConaughey. First, second cousin. He does! ... What I was I saying? Oh, I think if I was created with such power or an ability, then what's also been put in me is the blueprint for the responsibility part, as well. I have to take care of myself in order to take care of this gift, which has affected so many. I don't treat it lightly. It's important to me to be healthy and to be whole."

And Hill seems healthy and whole, squished up next to me in the car, making cracks about ridiculous-looking actors, chin in her hand as she thinks through the answers to my questions. She doesn't tell me to move back, or that she doesn't want to answer something. Watching her perform earlier in the day made me uneasy. I felt like I was watching a captain who had spent a life at sea, then lived on land for 10 years, stumbling a bit her first time back on the deck of a boat. But hearing her steadiness now, I feel hopeful. It's also a reality check: Why did we demand so much of this woman?

"I don't know if you know this, but I have five children," she says. "The youngest is 2 now, so she's old enough that I can leave her for a period of time and know she's going to be OK. That's one reason [Hill is starting to perform again]. And I think it's just time. I'm starting to get excited again. Believe it or not, I think what people are attracted to about me, if anything, is my passion. People got exposed to my passion through music and song first. I think people might realize, you know, 'We love the way she sounds, we love the music, but I think we just love how fearless she is. How boundless she is, when it comes to what she wants to do.' And I think that can be infectious."

This closes the interview. I thank her. She says, "You're welcome," and my editor and I leave the car. We sit on the stairs for a few minutes to catch our breath. We spent all weekend chasing Lauryn Hill, hoping to have this conversation about her voice. I compared it to a video game with infinite levels you didn't even know existed, like when you beat a level and you think you won, but then you go through a door and there's a whole other world you have to conquer. Getting to Lauryn Hill was like that.

Sara Sarasohn, my editor, compared the chase to the Israelites rising up and following the cloud over the Tent of Meeting. In the Torah, when the Israelites are wandering in the desert, there was a cloud over the Tent of Meeting, where the Ark of the Covenant was kept. Moses would go to the Tent of Meeting to communicate with God. At night, the cloud looked like fire. When the cloud lifted and moved, the Israelites would see it and know that it was time for them to move as well in their journey through the desert. It was like the presence of Hill was this cloud that we could see in the distance, and we were trying to follow it, and finally, we got to the Tent of Meeting.

Sitting on the stairs together, Sara and I couldn't help but cry, just a little. We talked to Lauryn Hill. And she's doing fine.